Tuesday, October 16, 2007
The Hartford Convention...What If?
The textbook states that the Hartford Convention contributed significantly to the death of the Federalist Party. Talk of secession (which would later be a southern political tool) and open disunity at a time when America was experiencing the birth of nationalist feelings showed that the party was out of touch with the rest of the nation. The Hartford Convention was certainly a case of bad timing, when the messengers from the convention reached the burned-out capital, news of Andrew Jackson's victory at New Orleans and the peace treaty at Ghent had energized and enlivened the city. My question is this: what do you think would have happened to the Federalist Party (and the nation) if the United States had lost the war of 1812? Please explain the reason for your answer with facts from 1800-1812.
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If the US lost the war of 1812,i believe most acts wouldnt of been passed,and taken seriously.If we wouldve lost,secession wouldnt of even got brought up.Thomas Jefferson's anti-foreign trade policies, the Embargo Act of 1807 and James Madison's Non-Intercourse Act of 1809, were very unpopular in the northeastern United States, especially among merchants and shippers. Jefferson's successor, President James Madison, was even less popular in New England, particularly after his prosecution of the War of 1812, which ended legal trade with England. The opposing Federalist Party, formerly quite weak, regained strength especially in New England, and in New York where it collaborated with Mayor DeWitt Clinton of New York City and supported him for president in 1812.That presidency wouldnt of came through,nor would be hostile towards New England.
If the United States had lost the War of 1812, I believe that the Federalist party would have continued to state their grievances. They would have continued to argue for secession from the Union and nullification.
In addition, the nation might not have been unified, after all their hard earned attempts. The nation might have had to surrender to Federalist ideals and give way to secession and nullification.
However, because the United States did win the War of 1812, the Federalist party, disgraced, could never again mount to a successful presidential campaign. And the nation continued to unify and peace remained in the country.
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jenna porretta
I agree that if the United States had lost the War of 1812, that most Acts would not have been passed and taken into consideration (in other words, nobody would think twice about it).
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If the United States lost had the war of 1812, Britain might have tried to capture us and take control of the U.S. once again. Some reason would be because of revenge and because we were a new nation and we wouldn’t have the strength to fight two wars. Even if Britain just left us there, other nations might have taken advantage and would have taken our land away from us because they would have lost respect towards us. Another thing that might have happened if the U.S. lost the war is that there would have been even more talk about succession. Then eventually some states would have succeeded and altering history as we know it. The Federalist Party would also take control of the government and it would rise to power over other parties. This is what I think would happen to the Federalist Party and the nation, if the United States lost the war of 1812.
I have to agree with both Jenna Porretta and MizChinkyEyez and there statements about the all the acts that wouldn’t have been passed if the U.S. was not victorious in the war and the federalist part became the supreme party.
Things would have been quite different if the US would have lost the War of 1812. First of all, the end of the war cannot be regarded as an American victory as both sides ended with a stalemate and virtually no change in territories etc. However, the war did make way for a new wave of American nationalism. Therefore, if America did lose the war, it would have been a crushing blow to the young country's economy, government and to the citizens. Instead of uniting behind the common nationalistic views, the people would be even more divided and confused. The Federalist party would gain more supporters due to opposition to the war but the turmoil in the government would require much more than one party to fix. In addition, losses at key battles including the Battle of New Orleans would further demoralize the citizens. The loss could evoke a demand for the change of the new government to one that would better serve the people's interests.
I agree with mizchinkyeyez regarding the Federalist attitude during the War. The Federalists would have continued to argue their point even if the US lost and would thus push for secession.
I also agree with benaa15 regarding the British. If the US had lost the war, then it is quite possible that the British would takeover once again and reclaim the US as a colony.
If the US had lost the War of 1812, I think that the Federalist pary might still have survived and that Britain might have tried to once again take over the United States. As for the states that wanted to secede, I believe they might have succeeded. I think that this would have happened because not everyone in the US supported this war and James Madison was one of the only people who continued to support it earning the name of Madison's War.
This war is like the Iraq War today where we have become a split nation and only the President continues to support the war.
lakers_117
I agree that the US winning the war was a good boost for nationalism. As a young nation, the last thing citizens need are disunity and confusion amonst themselves.
if the U.S. lost the war of 1812 i think that the federalists would have still kept their beliefs and try to get people to see things from their views. i also think that if we would have lost, britain would have kept on trying to take over New England and control it. Next, i believe that it would have taken us a lot longer to gain our independence from britain because of the fact that they would have kept trying to keep control of New England. Furthermore, the loss of the war of 1812 would have resulted in the change of our nation's history. we might have had a different government, the economy wouldn't have been as strong, and our perseverance towards becoming an independent nation might have eventually deteriorated.
Next, i agree with mizchinkyeyez and lakers_117 because we all had same idea that the federalists would have probably continued to argue their points and keep their beliefs about government.
Also, i agree with the same two about this event being good for the colonies' nationalism, but in regards to mizchinkyeyez's comment, i would like to ask which war are you talking about that we won because if you are talking about the war of 1812, this statement would be wrong because that war ended in a draw. Nobody won that one. but yes, the last thing we needed at that time was disunity and confusion about what they believed within the government.
If the US had lost the War of 1812 I think a number of things would've happened. Such as the falling out of the Union, the Federalist Party gaining power, the US would've lost all its respect from other countries, and we probably would've have been the laughing stock of the world simply for the fact that we couldn't even keep our own country together. We also probably wouldn't be one the strongest and most unified countries there are today.
I think if the US lost the War of 1812, the Federalist Party would have gotten what they wanted. Their view of how the central government was not adhering to the needs or interest of the stats would be agreed upon by the other citizens due to unpopular acts in the past and now this forced war with the British. With the absence of the euphoria of the victory over the war, they would have seemed very justified. With previously unsatisfactory and odious acts like the Embargo Act, the idea of seccesion would have very much have been in open arms. So the federalist would have broken up, and others would probably soon follow example. and then the political map of America would look like the retarded half brother of Europe. And they would each be very weak, considering their size. Europeans would find this weakness and attack the Americas. The Americans would either unite togther again as the United States of America or fall as separate entities. Or you know, maybe theyll kill eachother for border disputes. you know become like supine little countries working towards their eventual perdition with decadence, finding no aegis from their neighboring countries, due some puerile rivalry amongst them. due to the failure amongst them, the whiskey industry would explode every single citizen would become bibulous drunkards who in themselves would act as the catalyst to their already quick path to the gates of oblivion. seriously. and such a great experiment that was America would become a colassal failure, one that would rival this effete America, oblivious and apathetic as we are and their hidebound idealogies a morass from any sort of progress. Seriously.
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If the US were to have lost the War of 1812, most ofwhat occured after during, or even just before the war may not have been taken seriously or even paid attention to. Also the Federalist party probably would not have died becuase some people may have felt that the Federalist party would make for a better president if the US had lost the war.
IF the US had lost the war, there would have been more conflict to add to the previous problems we had already had. The Embargo Act would have not gotten lifted, and we would probably still would have went back to war with Britain or France. Futhermore, we were already struggling with unification, and if we had lost, all hopes would have died. Also we would probably be siezed by Britain (again) thus wating all the improvements we made.
I disagree with Raiders10, I still think they would have paid attention to the previous efforts nd as you it wouldnt be taken seriously BUT, dont you think that we would still have a leg to stand on that we can run a country without Britain, I mean there a lot of other countries we can trade.
I agree with benaa15 on the note of the British. If we had lost the war, then I highly believe that we would have been taken over by Britain.
If the U.S. lost the war of 1812 I think that many things would be different. I would have to agree with porretta with the fact that Thomas Jefferson's Embargo Act and many other ideas by the Anti-Federalist would've never came up. THe Federalist ideas would've probaly ruled.
If we had lost the war of 1812 I beleive that the Federalist Party would have survived much longer. Uneccssary Acts wouldn't have passed such as the Embargo Act which cut of trade with Britain, and the Non-Intercourse Act. These acts were disliked by the american people. If we had lost the war of 1812 the Federalist party would have been in rule for a very long time.
If the U.S. were to have lost the War of 1812 the U.S. would be much different throughout history. The wave of nationalism would have never happened if key battle were not won such as the Battle of New Orleans which along with the armistice would have never given the American people a reason to be prideful of their young nation being able to hold its own against a superpower. Secession would not be relevant because if defeated the American citizens would be even less unified and possibly the issue of slavery would be lost. The Federalist's ideas and acts would have been never passed because the power of the party would not be strong enough to carry out the acts along with the fact that the U.S. citizens would want a government to satisfy their new needs rather than focus on what brought them to be defeated. Federalist disgraced would never be able to run a winning presidential campaign. But secession could be a possiblity if the Federalist party continued to push or gained more influential power.
I disagree with benaa15 they would not be turned into colonial status again but rather have to either ally with British or become a New Britain with a British ruled government planted in the nation.
I agree with lakers_117 that if we lost the war the economy of the U.S. nation would be crushed.
To some extent, the outcome of the war of 1812 would have differed if America had lost to Britain. Technically, neither sides won the war because the Treaty of Ghent was signed, making peace, not victory. The Treaty of Ghent, though it created some tranquil between the two nations, did not even solve the grievances that the Americans had against the British. For example, the conflicts involving the impressment of American soldiers, the British restraint on trade, and alliance between the British and Native Americans were not concluded in terms of the peace settlement. In comparison, if the Americans lost to the British, in my opinion, such grievances would not have been solved either.
But, the one major aspect that would have varied greatly if the Americans lost, would have to be the American nationalism gained after victory. The idea that the British did not prevail against the Americans, yet again, gave the US inhabitants a new set of confidence that contributed to their uniting. But, if the British did make a victory against the Americans, the Americans would not have had the high self-esteem that they gained.
MizChinkyEyez
I do agree that the Federalists would have kept their grievances alive if the Americans lost from the war of 1812. The Federalist lost their touch with their fellow Americans when they conveyed their grievances at a time of celebration. But, if the Americans lost, there would not have been a celebration; then the Federalists complaints would have been more likely to be heard and acknowledged.
if we lost the war of 1812 the Federalist Party would have survived longer. acts like the embargo act witch cut off trade with Britain would have been active for a longer time and Britain would have taken over the country
lakers_117
I do agree with the fact that if the US did lose the war, the country would have been more confused and disunited. The unification of the country after the Treaty of Ghent was aroused by the nationalistic sensation of the Americans. If the Americans lost, such nationalistic confidence would not have existed, therefore creating more disunity. The Federalists' Hartford Convention would have also been more favored because it opposed the war. Likewise, the Americans, if they lost, would have the need to turn to another opposing group, the Federalists, to seek their country's fate.
If America has lost the war of 1812 it would have not only affect our growing nationalism but also effect our economy. Due to the growing nationalism America was starting to unite and become a nation. And if the war was lost then the economy would deplete and chaos and confusion would have arose among the people. Also due to the the loss the federalist party would have recieved more supporters and would have remained prominent even today. Because of the pessimistic views of the federalists the loss would have contributed to the support of the federalist party.
If the U.S. lost the War of 1812, I believe that the Federalist party would have continued to strive. Also with this being said, many acts would not have passed such as, the Embargo Act of 1807 in which sought to punish France for its violation of American rights on the seas. This would have affected the way the central government would work today. Maybe instead of having democrats and republicans, we would have federalists and republicans, and the U.S. would be controlled under a strict government. Of course the states would still be split, but you will always have people who support the Federalists ideas and those who oppose them.
I believe that if the United States lost in the War of 1812, the Federalist Party would have probably lasted longer continuing to do what they were already doing to begin with. They may have gained more power in the nation, although the nation may start to fall under incomplete unity, which would not favor them in the future. They would probably push for secession and eventually break up the states. Also, any anti-federalist ideas would have never shown up and taken place such as the embargo act and the non-intercourse act. Over all, it would show a very problematic result if the United States lost in the War of 1812 for the facts that could split the unity of the nation.
righteousprofet
i have to disagree with the statement about the federalist party ruling for a very long time. If they had survived longer, credit wouldn't be given for them ruling, but more for seperating the nation if their goal for secession had succeeded.
the next black billionaire
i agree with the fact that the united states would probably been seized by britain again if they lost the war. the fact that the federalist party would have lasted longer, would only create disunity, leading to an easy opening for attack.
I agree with weeshabangxd because i also belive that the Federalist party would have lasted a lot longer if we had lost then if we did not. Along with that, i don't believe that the Republican party would have been as dominant as they were either. If the US had not won the War of 1812 and the Battle of New Orleans, then the Us would not have foreign respect. Andrew Jackson wouldn’t have been regarded as a war hero and might not have become president. Also, the northern states, New England especially, would not have industrialized within itself if we had lost. In addition, the Treaty of Ghent would not have regulated the international quarrels that were occurring during this time of conflict.
If the united states had lost the war the federalist party probably would have lasted a little longer as a political party. Their ideas for sucession would still have been shot down by congress but the idea could have sparked an earlier movement toward the civil war. However, the founders and members of our country realized seperating the newly emerging country would have torn apart our already fragile country. In terms of the economy, the British might have been able to have more authority as tariffs and trade goes but a switch in the form of government wouldn't have happened. Also, loosing the war would have tremendously lowered the respect we got from other countries and the economy could have suffered from that too. Overall, the federalist would have had still been around for a little while longer, but as the nation grew more unified their ideas of succesion would easily had been rejected.
i agree with mz.day beacuse they say "the US would've lost all its respect from other countries, and we probably would've have been the laughing stock of the world simply for the fact that we couldn't even keep our own country together." This is true because after picking a fight with the British, loosing it would have lowered our rep as a country that was once looked upon as being something to watch out for.
If the US had not won the War of 1812 and the Battle of New Orleans, then the Us would not have foreign respect. Andrew Jackson wouldn’t have been regarded as a war hero and might not have become president. Also, the northern states, New England especially, would not have industrialized within itself if we had lost. In addition, the Treaty of Ghent would not have regulated the international quarrels that were occurring during this time of conflict. Finally, if we had lost the War of 1812, the US would not have as much nationalism as we had would when we had won which would in turn most likely have led to the maintenance of the Federalist party and the Republican party would not have been so dominant as far as politics.
If we had last the War of 1812 as well as the Battle of New Orleans, Andrew Jackson wouldn’t have been considered to be a president, in which the reason why he was elected for that position was because he was regarded as a war hero. Also, the New England are wouldn’t have industrialized within itself. In addition we may have never gained respect from European as well as foreign nations.Lastly, if the US would not have as much nationalism as we had would when we had won which would in turn most likely have led to the stablility of the Federalist party and the Republican party would not have been so dominated politically.
JayAguilar86:
i agree with this person in which i also believe that Andrew Jackson wouldnt have been president because he was regarded as a war hero.
MizChinkyEyez :
i also agree with this person in which i federalist party probably would have continued politically
If the United States had lost the War of 1812, America would not have experienced such nationalism. People would have been discouraged and would not have been unified. Though the war left both sides with not much change in economic and political gains, the victory at New Orleans enlivened the city. If this had not happened, people would have been discouraged. It is possible that the British could have taken over once again. The respect from other countries would have lowered even more than the little respect United States was given to begin with. The Federalist Party would have most likely gained more supporters and lasted longer. Due to the outcome of the war if the United States had lost, the citizens wouldn’t have had the spirit and energy to oppose the Federalist Party and would have given in to their views and belief of a stronger central government to better the society. All in all, this shows that the victory of the Americans at the War of 1812 contributed to the death of the Federalist Party.
i believe that if the U.S. had lost the war of 1812,things would have been quite different because it would have been a crushing blow to the young country's economy, government and to the citizens.and the new wave of nationalism never would have occured.So instead of uniting behind the common nationalistic views, the people would be even more divided and confused.i think the nation would lose its unity and the federalist party would have continued to try and persuade for succession from the union and may actually get what they wanted.They would rise to power and have total and dominant control over the government.
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i would have to say that i agree with benaa15 regarding the British taking over the US. If the US had lost the war, then the british would see it as their chance to reclaim us as theirs because we would be so weak.
Lakers_117
I completely agree with you that losing the war would have been a blow to the U.S.’s economy, government and citizens and this would have affected the people’s nationalistic views and unity. I agree that it would have left them more divided and confused.
Benaa15
I also think that Britain might have tried to take control over America again because of vengeance and our lack of strength to fight. I agree that other nations would have lost respect for us if we had lost the war.
First and foremost, the most important aspect of the War of 1812 is the feeling of nationalist that amounted from the U.S. victory over the British. Even though there were several other factors to why British lost (such as being faced with a stronger adversary like Napoleon over in the warring Europe), the U.S. still won many great Naval battles but lost almost all army battles on land. Technically, it wasn't a victory but an armistice from all the fighters. However, leaders such as Andrew Jackson, Thomas MacDonough, and William Henry emerged as great military heroes and deeply influenced the way the armistice was taken in by the American citizen and the adoption of new ideas such as the American System. Consequently, if the U.S. had lost, then Britain would have ruled over the United States once again but with a stronger grip from the exhaustion of the war. In addition, the Federalist would gain an immense boost in supporters since many of them supported the British during the warring times. The most basic effect would be America reverting back to the colonial times and being ruled under the monarchy of Britain. The Federalist party would have most control of federal power and create a monarchy such as Britain. If that were to happen, then another idea of revolution would seem imminent, though unlikely due to lack of resources and men. Furthermore, economy would change on the face of country and be charged with taxes and more tariffs to pay off for the war and the effects of the Embargo Act and Non-Intercourse Act of 1809. Overall, in the event that the U.S. lost the War of 1812, the British would have almost global dominance over the world due to the defeat of the supreme Napoleon and the potential United States.
I agree with lakers117 because he/she is correct on the status of the U.S.'s economy since Jefferson's Embargo Act and Madison's Non-Intercourse Act of 1809 severely damaged the income and disunity was stretched further.
I disagree with christi815 because he/she stated that the war left all sides with little change in economy. The losing and gaining of resources and the losing and gaining of land contributes significantly to the war effort. More land could mean more resources to extort and give one side a bigger advantage. Yet, war itself takes a toll on every sides economy and calls for taxes and tariffs to be imposed on goods. The impressment and taking American cargo ship is a clear definition of this insight in a more violent method.
I believe if we had lost the war of 1812, the Federalist Party may have still been around. They would still be trying persuade people to understand their point of view. I also believe that Britain may have tried to take control of the U.S., because we were still a new nation and weak. The loss of this war may have also taken a toll on our unity or together-ness.
I agree with historykid16. This person made the point of telling about the states that wanted to suceed, that was a good point.
I disagree with raiders10. They believed the Federalist Party would prevail and still be working.
I believe that if the us had lost the war of 1812 than the Federalist party would have thrived. Hatred for the government would have sprung up and more people would have started talking about succession from the union. The federalists would then start convincing people that we need to succed. When states started leaving then all of the hated laws like the Embargo Act and the Non-Intercourse act would all be repealed. Then France, Britain, and Spain would all try to force their influences on the individual states and then there would be another war.
mizchinkyeyez:
I agree with this person when they say that the Federalists would have kept arguing for succession if we had lost the war because more people would start listening their ideas.
lotsoflove:
I agree with this person when they say that it would have been a major hit to our economy because countries would try and take advantage of us and demand more products for less money because we couldnt stop them.
If the United States had lost the War of 1812, I believe that the Federalist Party would have still survived. In addition I believe the Republican Party would not have lasted as long as they did. Their ideas for succession would have still be intact and not brought down by Congress which may have caused a new idea to arise before the civil war. The leaders of the newly emerging nation, realized that it would separate the country that was there at the time. British might've put on more tariffs on more items and also in terms of economy, their might have not been a shift in government. Being victorious in the battles and wars the U.S. won, it gained alot of reputation, so if we had lost it would have effected the trade with other nations. As a result, more ideas of succession would have been vetoed as time went on and the Federalist Party would have still hung out for a bit longer.
Benaa15: i agree with them on the idea that if the united states had lost the war, the newly emerging country's respect would have fallen severely in the rest of the nations' eyes.
the next black billionaire: i agree with him on the idea that the united states (at the time) would've once again been seized under British rule and i agree somewhat on the thought of the federalists being around longer would cause disunity.
If the United States had lost the War of 1812, the nationalism that was gained after their so-called “victory” would not have been present, despite the very few changes the war had left. This is because when the British failed to prevail against the Americans, it gave the Americans a boost in confidence, leading to their patriotism and nationalism. However, the lost to the war would have discouraged America and made it harder for the nation to unite. Also, the Federalist Party would have lasted longer. This is because the victory of the War of 1812 had weakened the Federalist Party in which it proved that the nation was already strong. So it would make sense that the lack of nationalism, self-esteem, and patriotism due to the war would have made it harder for the Americans to oppose the Federalist Party. In other words, the lost of the war would have been directed at the weak government and thus, would have had the Americans agree on with the ideas of the Federalist Party in having a stronger, centralized government.
In response to lakers_117, I agree that nationalism was what caused the uniting of America. So if such nationalism was lost due to the War of 1812, the nation would have been ever so more divided.
With that said, the lost of nationalism would have led the nation to fall to the Federalist beliefs of secession and nullification as stated by MizChinkyEyez. I agree with your statenment because that would have been nation’s lowest point, and to gain back what they had lost during the war, a strong and centralized government would have been the most reasonable answer.
I believe that if the war of 1812 would've been lost, then the Federalist party would've survived a little longer. The representatives were on their way to express grievances and those grievances would have to have been observed and recieved. The nation would've been discouraged and hopeless. There was even talk of seceding from the Union. The nation could've divided again and would've regressed in the progress that had been made. Fortunately, as it were, it didn't come to that and the representatives quietly slipped away without causing too big of a stir as nationalism washed over the rest of the contented country.
I agree with Lakers_117 in that losing the War of 1812 would've been disastrous even if technically the war ended in a draw, the American side had that one victory to push it towards dismissing thoughts of seceding from the empire. After all, who really wants to break ties with a winner?
I also agree with mZ.dAy in that our country would probably not be where we are today and respected as a world superpower if early on in our history we couldn't even keep our own country together. The nation had fought to be unified and then fought to separate. Other countries would be asking which stance we were gonna take and just to choose one and stick with that status.
If the u.s would have lost the war, I think that the republican party would have suffered and a federalist president would have been in office. Also, the nation might have been divided because the federalist plans of siccesion would have been more iminent. PArt of the reason that u.s was able to stay so united was that thr "tie" brought strong nationalist feeling
I agree with benaa15 because if the u.s had lost the british might have taken advatage and tried to capture u.s I also agree with mz. day because other countries would have noticed how weak the u.s. was and like britain the would have taken advantage of it.
If the United States had lost the war of 1812, I think it would have had a great negative impact not just because of the lost of money,and people but the federalist would have tried to take charge of the government and brought federalist ideals and like MIZCHINKYEYEZ say it would have given way to secession and nullification
In my opinion, the supposed victory of the War of 1812 had the biggest impact upon the nationalist feelings among the states. It stirred up a very strong sense of unity and encouraged them with emotions of patriotism. Being that they won to a major power, they felt as through they achieved a great success. It gave them a sense of confidence that they had an ability to stand a chance in standing defeat. If they had however fallen to a loss of the War of 1812, the Federalist party most probably would have lasted quite a while longer than it had. Since it would have been a victory of the British, a return of the colonial times could have been inevitable. The British would have been a blow of the government because the British would have had a stronger hold on the nation. This in turn would have had a boost in the Federalist spirit because they were strong supporters of the British.
historykid16
I agree that the British would have tried to take the nation back into a state of colonial times. The US would have been vulnerable for this time of takeover.
raiders10
I disagree with their opinion that they wouldnt have taken it as seriously. I think that it would have actually been taken more seriously since the US would have been more vulnerable to be taken back to its former type of government with Britian. Britian would have seen it as a huge opportunity to use their defeat as an advantage.
If we would have lost the War of 1812 i think that the federalist party would be stronger now, than it ever was. I think that many of the laws would still not even have been brought up till this day.
i agree with jenna porreta because without the Federalist party being exterminated then no new laws would be taken and added to the constitution.
lakers_117 i agree with you becuase our gov't would be extremely weak if the federalist would not have been finished. they would have a major influence in the shaping of todays gov't.
In my opinion, if the US had lost during the war of 1812 our country might not be what it is today. First of all, the federalist party might still be alive and our whole government might be different due to that. Secondly, the British might have still tried to regain control over the colonies (now states.) But beacuse we won the states became more united, creating "nationalism." If we would've lost, America might have been part of Britain, it might have a weaker government and economy. We might have not even had the western states as well.
I agree with MizChinkyEyez beacuse if we would've lost the Federalist Party might be dominating today. Also Beacuse of the victory, the federalist party diappeared.
I also agree with lakers_117 because I too believe that the economy might have weakend due to the loss.
If the United States lost the War of 1812 then the federalist would probly have had a larger effect compared to when they won. Because the ending of the federalist party sparked the "Good feelings" era, the era might not have occured because the U.S. would still be divided b/w the two political parties. Also if the U.S. lost then that probly would of put a pause in the exploration of the west. In the worst case scenario the Brittish might have taken over the states once again. The U.S. could of been divided into sections.
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if the us lost the war of 1812. i think that the federalist would hav gotten wat they wanted. and that their argument would hav continued.
i agree with 1iszt1eistdie1iste..
also lots of acts could have been passed like the embargo act ,non- intercourse act. thye hated this acts.
if it they lost the war then federalists would hav gone on for a long time.
Like practically everyone else is saying, if the U.S. had lost the War of 1812, any acts passed probably would have rejected and there wouldn't have been a reason to bring up succession. The country would have NEVER unified, due to British control and military rule over the colonies. Britain would immediately stop any future uprisings, and there would have never been an America. The Federalist party would've most likely been in control of goverment the remainder of the colonies existense.Thus, Jefferson's embargo Act of 1807 would have never been necessary or immediately nullified, relieving merchants and shippers in the colonies. If Britain, somehow left us alone after defeating us, I agree Benaa15, that other nation's would have taken advantage of our newfound defeat. I also agree with Lakers_117, in losing key battles would further destroy citizen and military moral in upcoming victories, or defeats. Good thing we won, though.
If the US lost the war of 1812, i think the federalists would of still had a run in the government at that time. and that we might have even had another federalist government during this era. but since the US won then Britain stayed away and the US was safe. and the federalists were put down.
Well, The Federalists would have took the reins. We would have probably would have lost some land to Britain, and alot,alot alot of American Morale, and we'd more than likely have lost the respect of other nations.
One Things for sure, We wouldn't be where we are now.
If the United States had lost in the War of 1812, I believe the Federalist party would not have completely been erased but it would still linger in the nation. The nation would go into control of the British and thus become a monarchy as it was before the Declaration of Independence. The remainders of the federalist party would still be able to begin a revolution over time and possibly eventually move towards what really did happen but with a delayed pace.
I agree with mizchinkyeyez on how the federalists would still be around and argue for secession from the Union.
I also agree with james owns you on the fact that the British would have a tough grip on the young nation and it would have difficulty in attempting to break free.
If the United States had lost the War of 1812, there still would've been talks of secession, but I think the results would have been the same. Despite Jefferson's acts being unpopular, and Madison not being popular. Sectional issues would not have divided the country during its infancy.
The war of 1812 was lost the the Federalists would of stayed stable. The nation would of probably would not be unified. Also Britain would of want to get power over the U.S if they did it once then why not again. Like that didnt happen the was the end of the Federalist party and the nation continued to unify and peace was in the nation.
I agree with benna15 because Britain would of probably tried to take over. They probaly would of want more power and everything else.
I also agree with historykid16 because the Federalist party might still been stable and would of survived and things would of being very different. Also U.S would of not had hope if they lost and would of still be weak not grow a little more stonger like they did.
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